The Locked up Living Podcast: Surviving and thriving in prisons and other challenging environments
Can institutional culture challenge your mental health? What if your job makes you feel shame, sadness, grief, disgust and fear? What if you are expected not to feel? Or you are expected to be relentlessly competitive? What it’s like to live or work in a prison? Does working with people who commit murder, child abuse and rape affect people who work in prisons and the wider criminal justice system?
How do people survive and thrive when facing significant challenges to our emotional health over a lengthy period? How do we protect ourselves and stay compassionate, loving and trusting? Importantly, how do we find and preserve hope?
Fyodor Dostoevsky wrote that “The degree of civilisation in a society can be judged by entering its prisons”. In this weekly podcast ,your hosts, David Jones (Forensic psychotherapist) and Dr Naomi Murphy (Consultant Clinical & Forensic Psychologist) hope that exploring less visible aspects of prisons will help listeners see that prisons are a window into society and let us see people not only at their worst but also at their best. We feature a rich range of guests sharing snap shots of life in prisons and take a look at hospitals, schools, sport and the police in order to learn from other institutions. We learn about challenges to human integrity and hear important lessons and heart-warming stories about survival and growth when facing adversity in harsh places. We hope that sharing our conversations can help you make changes to your own relationship with institutions that might challenge your emotional health and well-being.
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Episodes

Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Dr Esther Cole (Audio); Exploring Post-Traumatic Growth in Therapy, a new appraoch
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Keywords
post-traumatic growth, therapy, mental health, Breaking Through Therapy, ethics in therapy, self-care, therapeutic models, personal experiences, podcasts, clinical psychology
Summary
In this conversation, Dr. Esther Cole discusses the concept of post-traumatic growth and its significance in therapy. She shares insights from her podcast, 'Breaking Through Therapy,' which aims to demystify the therapeutic process and highlight the positive transformations that can arise from adversity. The discussion also touches on the ethical considerations of anonymity in therapy, the importance of self-care for therapists, and the role of personal experiences in shaping therapeutic relationships. Dr. Cole emphasizes the need for a broader understanding of mental health that includes post-traumatic growth, rather than solely focusing on deficits.
Takeaways
Post-traumatic growth is an important area of focus in therapy.
The podcast aims to demystify the therapeutic process.
Ethics and anonymity are crucial in therapy discussions.
Personal experiences can shape therapeutic relationships.
Self-care is essential for therapists to help others effectively.
Therapeutic models should consider systemic approaches.
Podcasts can provide valuable insights into mental health.
Diversity in therapy practices is important for accessibility.
The media often misrepresents the reality of therapy.
Building a supportive community is vital for recovery.
Dr. Esther Cole is an Author, Podcast Host, Consultant Clinical Psychologist and Founder of a multi award-winning company Lifespan Psychology – The Diverse Practice® and Wellness BOSS Coach (BOSS stands for Business Owner Support Squad™).
Dr. Cole worked in the NHS for 12 years and joined the independent sector in 2017. She is currently on the BPS Division of Clinical Psychology sub-committee for Equality Diversity & Inclusion and the Special Group for Independent Practice (SGIP).
Dr Cole hosts a podcast called “Breaking Through Therapy”. This is the only show where you come on as a guest with your therapist, at least one year later, to discuss your journey, the therapeutic relationship and post-traumatic growth.
As a third-generation British Jamaican Psychologist, managing long-term conditions whilst being a mother of three, Dr Cole warmly welcome clients from all walks of life. She has a passion for men’s mental health, and for supporting children and adults living alongside mental, physical or neurological difficulties and trauma.
Dr. Cole is co-editor of Psychological Therapy for Paediatric Acquired Brain Injury: Innovations for Children, Young People & Families (Jim, J. & Cole, E. 2019. London: Routledge). She is honoured to be the first Black Clinical Psychologist to receive the Early Career Award 2020 from The British Psychological Society for her role initiating and editing the book.
Website | www.lifespanpsychology.co.uk/
Facebook | Lifespan Psychology - Breaking Through Therapy Podcast
Instagram | lifespan_psychology
LinkedIn | Dr Esther Cole, Multi-Award Winning Consultant Psychologist
Podcast | www.breakingthroughtherapy.com

Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Dr Esther Cole (Video); Exploring Post-Traumatic Growth in Therapy, a new appraoch
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Wednesday Sep 10, 2025
Keywords
post-traumatic growth, therapy, mental health, Breaking Through Therapy, ethics in therapy, self-care, therapeutic models, personal experiences, podcasts, clinical psychology
Summary
In this conversation, Dr. Esther Cole discusses the concept of post-traumatic growth and its significance in therapy. She shares insights from her podcast, 'Breaking Through Therapy,' which aims to demystify the therapeutic process and highlight the positive transformations that can arise from adversity. The discussion also touches on the ethical considerations of anonymity in therapy, the importance of self-care for therapists, and the role of personal experiences in shaping therapeutic relationships. Dr. Cole emphasizes the need for a broader understanding of mental health that includes post-traumatic growth, rather than solely focusing on deficits.
Takeaways
Post-traumatic growth is an important area of focus in therapy.
The podcast aims to demystify the therapeutic process.
Ethics and anonymity are crucial in therapy discussions.
Personal experiences can shape therapeutic relationships.
Self-care is essential for therapists to help others effectively.
Therapeutic models should consider systemic approaches.
Podcasts can provide valuable insights into mental health.
Diversity in therapy practices is important for accessibility.
The media often misrepresents the reality of therapy.
Building a supportive community is vital for recovery.
Dr. Esther Cole is an Author, Podcast Host, Consultant Clinical Psychologist and Founder of a multi award-winning company Lifespan Psychology – The Diverse Practice® and Wellness BOSS Coach (BOSS stands for Business Owner Support Squad™).
Dr. Cole worked in the NHS for 12 years and joined the independent sector in 2017. She is currently on the BPS Division of Clinical Psychology sub-committee for Equality Diversity & Inclusion and the Special Group for Independent Practice (SGIP).
Dr Cole hosts a podcast called “Breaking Through Therapy”. This is the only show where you come on as a guest with your therapist, at least one year later, to discuss your journey, the therapeutic relationship and post-traumatic growth.
As a third-generation British Jamaican Psychologist, managing long-term conditions whilst being a mother of three, Dr Cole warmly welcome clients from all walks of life. She has a passion for men’s mental health, and for supporting children and adults living alongside mental, physical or neurological difficulties and trauma.
Dr. Cole is co-editor of Psychological Therapy for Paediatric Acquired Brain Injury: Innovations for Children, Young People & Families (Jim, J. & Cole, E. 2019. London: Routledge). She is honoured to be the first Black Clinical Psychologist to receive the Early Career Award 2020 from The British Psychological Society for her role initiating and editing the book.
Website | www.lifespanpsychology.co.uk/
Facebook | Lifespan Psychology - Breaking Through Therapy Podcast
Instagram | lifespan_psychology
LinkedIn | Dr Esther Cole, Multi-Award Winning Consultant Psychologist
Podcast | www.breakingthroughtherapy.com

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Guest: Lee Powers
Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, Dr Naomi Murphy and David Jones sit down with Lee Powers, a nurse, intensive care unit (ICU) and workplace violence survivor, and international speaker. Lee shares her harrowing experience of being assaulted by a patient while working in a psychiatric ICU, the devastating impact it had on her life, and her journey to recovery. She discusses the systemic issues in healthcare, the lack of support for assaulted healthcare workers, and the importance of personalized medicine. Lee's story is one of resilience, strength, and advocacy for change in the healthcare system.
Lee with her service dog Nelson Mandela; https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BVsKszhjE/
Key Topics Discussed:
Lee's background and her role as a nurse in a psychiatric ICU.
The assault incident and its immediate aftermath.
The long-term physical, emotional, and financial impacts of the assault.
The systemic issues in healthcare that contribute to workplace violence.
The importance of laws to protect healthcare workers.
Lee's recovery journey and the challenges she faced.
The role of her service dog, Nelson Mandela, in her recovery.
Lee's advocacy for better support and safety measures for healthcare workers.
The impact of the incident on Lee's personal relationships and community.
Lee's insights on how healthcare professionals can improve patient care and safety.
Quotes:
"If the nurse isn't safe, no one is safe." - Lee Powers
"I really wanted to talk to healthcare professionals, families, not in a punitive way, but to say, hey, when you're on the other side of the bed, here's what a patient may experience." - Lee Powers
"I learned that I'm much stronger than I thought." - Lee Powers

Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Wednesday Sep 03, 2025
Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, Dr Naomi Murphy and David Jones sit down with Lee Powers, a nurse, intensive care unit (ICU) and workplace violence survivor, and international speaker. Lee shares her harrowing experience of being assaulted by a patient while working in a psychiatric ICU, the devastating impact it had on her life, and her journey to recovery. She discusses the systemic issues in healthcare, the lack of support for assaulted healthcare workers, and the importance of personalized medicine. Lee's story is one of resilience, strength, and advocacy for change in the healthcare system.
Lee with her service dog Nelson Mandela; https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1BVsKszhjE/
Key Topics Discussed:
Lee's background and her role as a nurse in a psychiatric ICU.
The assault incident and its immediate aftermath.
The long-term physical, emotional, and financial impacts of the assault.
The systemic issues in healthcare that contribute to workplace violence.
The importance of laws to protect healthcare workers.
Lee's recovery journey and the challenges she faced.
The role of her service dog, Nelson Mandela, in her recovery.
Lee's advocacy for better support and safety measures for healthcare workers.
The impact of the incident on Lee's personal relationships and community.
Lee's insights on how healthcare professionals can improve patient care and safety.
Quotes:
"If the nurse isn't safe, no one is safe." - Lee Powers
"I really wanted to talk to healthcare professionals, families, not in a punitive way, but to say, hey, when you're on the other side of the bed, here's what a patient may experience." - Lee Powers
"I learned that I'm much stronger than I thought." - Lee Powers

Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Locked up Living Podcast: Episode with Dr. Rachel Gibbons
Hosts: Dr. Naomi Murphy and David Jones
Guest: Dr. Rachel Gibbons, Consultant Psychiatrist, Psychoanalyst, and Group Analyst
Episode Summary: In this episode, Dr. Rachel Gibbons shares her profound experiences and insights on the topic of suicide, its impact on the bereaved, and patient safety. Dr. Gibbons discusses her journey, which began with the traumatic loss of four patients to suicide early in her career, and how these events shaped her professional path and personal growth. The conversation delves into the complexities of dealing with suicide in mental health services, the importance of reflective spaces, and the need for better preparation and support for clinicians.
Key Points:
Dr. Gibbons' early career experiences with patient suicides and their profound impact on her.
The concept of post-traumatic growth and how trauma can fuel creative change.
The importance of addressing clinician vulnerability and the stigma surrounding it.
The role of reflective spaces and preparation in managing the aftermath of patient suicides.
The need for systemic changes in mental health services to better support staff and patients.
Quotes:
"Trauma can be destructive, or it can fuel creative change."
"We can't keep people safe from the contents of their own mind."
"Reflective spaces are essential to prevent acting out and causing more harm."
Resources Mentioned:
Dr. Rachel Gibbons' website: [http://drrachaelgibbons.co.uk](http://drrachaelgibbons.co.uk)
Royal College of Psychiatrists' Wellbeing Hub
Call to Action: If you or someone you know is struggling with thoughts of suicide, please seek help from a mental health professional or contact a crisis hotline in your area.

Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Wednesday Aug 27, 2025
Locked up Living Podcast: Episode with Dr. Rachel Gibbons
Hosts: Dr. Naomi Murphy and David Jones
Guest: Dr. Rachel Gibbons, Consultant Psychiatrist, Psychoanalyst, and Group Analyst
Episode Summary: In this episode, Dr. Rachel Gibbons shares her profound experiences and insights on the topic of suicide, its impact on the bereaved, and patient safety. Dr. Gibbons discusses her journey, which began with the traumatic loss of four patients to suicide early in her career, and how these events shaped her professional path and personal growth. The conversation delves into the complexities of dealing with suicide in mental health services, the importance of reflective spaces, and the need for better preparation and support for clinicians.
Key Points:
Dr. Gibbons' early career experiences with patient suicides and their profound impact on her.
The concept of post-traumatic growth and how trauma can fuel creative change.
The importance of addressing clinician vulnerability and the stigma surrounding it.
The role of reflective spaces and preparation in managing the aftermath of patient suicides.
The need for systemic changes in mental health services to better support staff and patients.
Quotes:
"Trauma can be destructive, or it can fuel creative change."
"We can't keep people safe from the contents of their own mind."
"Reflective spaces are essential to prevent acting out and causing more harm."
Resources Mentioned:
Dr. Rachel Gibbons' website: [http://drrachaelgibbons.co.uk](http://drrachaelgibbons.co.uk)
Royal College of Psychiatrists' Wellbeing Hub
Call to Action: If you or someone you know is struggling with thoughts of suicide, please seek help from a mental health professional or contact a crisis hotline in your area.

Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Christopher Mathews (Video); ‘Dark Academia: Reflections on Well-being and Academia
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
In this episode, Christopher Matthews shares his journey of maintaining well-being beyond sports, reflecting on his past experiences and the challenges he faces in academia. With David Jones and Naomi Murphy he discusses the impact of his work on his mental health, the role of self-therapy, and the use of psychedelic drugs. Matthews also touches on the difficulties of addressing sensitive topics like child abuse in sports and the importance of reflection and mindfulness in his life.
Dr. Matthews, is a social scientist and epistemologist with years of experience advising doctoral candidates. His latest sole-authored book, Doing Good Social Science, was published by Routledge in April 2025. He co-edited Teaching with Sociological Imagination in Higher Education (Springer) and Global Perspectives on Women in Combat Sports (Palgrave Macmillan)
Key Points:
Christopher Matthews reflects on his younger years and the reckless behavior he engaged in, acknowledging the impact it had on his well-being
He discusses the emotional toll of his research and the challenges of talking about sensitive topics like child abuse in sports
Matthews shares his approach to self-therapy and the importance of reflection and mindfulness in maintaining his mental health
The role of psychedelic drugs in his life and how they have helped him become a better person and scholar
The impact of reading "Dark Academia" and the realization of the challenges facing academia
Matthews emphasizes the need for academics to have clinical supervision when working on human impact research
Quotes:
"I've become very, very reflective and quite emotional as I've got older." - Christopher Matthews
"Doing acid, LSD, and magic mushrooms has fundamentally made me a better man, a better husband, a better person." - Christopher Matthews
"I think there's a case for academics to have clinical supervision if they're working on human impact research." - Dr. Naomi Murphy
Takeaways:
Self-reflection is crucial for maintaining well-being
Engaging in sports can lead to both positive and negative outcomes
The myths surrounding sports often overlook the inherent risks involved
Performance in sports can overshadow the joy of play
Sports can create community but also reinforce social divides
Youth sports should prioritize play over competition
The impact of sports on mental health is significant and complex
Critical thinking is essential in analyzing the role of sports in society
The relationship between sports and health is often misunderstood
Personal experiences shape our understanding of sports and their effects.
Sound Bites:
"I get really upset when I talk to people."
"It's fundamentally made me a better man."
"I've accepted that I know I'm doing it."

Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Christopher Mathews (Audio); Dark Academia; Reflections on Wellbeing and Academia.
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
Wednesday Aug 20, 2025
In this episode, Christopher Matthews shares his journey of maintaining well-being beyond sports, reflecting on his past experiences and the challenges he faces in academia. With David Jones and Naomi Murphy he discusses the impact of his work on his mental health, the role of self-therapy, and the use of psychedelic drugs. Matthews also touches on the difficulties of addressing sensitive topics like child abuse in sports and the importance of reflection and mindfulness in his life.
Dr. Matthews, is a social scientist and epistemologist with years of experience advising doctoral candidates. His latest sole-authored book, Doing Good Social Science, was published by Routledge in April 2025. He co-edited Teaching with Sociological Imagination in Higher Education (Springer) and Global Perspectives on Women in Combat Sports (Palgrave Macmillan)
Key Points:
Christopher Matthews reflects on his younger years and the reckless behavior he engaged in, acknowledging the impact it had on his well-being
He discusses the emotional toll of his research and the challenges of talking about sensitive topics like child abuse in sports
Matthews shares his approach to self-therapy and the importance of reflection and mindfulness in maintaining his mental health
The role of psychedelic drugs in his life and how they have helped him become a better person and scholar
The impact of reading "Dark Academia" and the realization of the challenges facing academia
Matthews emphasizes the need for academics to have clinical supervision when working on human impact research
Quotes:
"I've become very, very reflective and quite emotional as I've got older." - Christopher Matthews
"Doing acid, LSD, and magic mushrooms has fundamentally made me a better man, a better husband, a better person." - Christopher Matthews
"I think there's a case for academics to have clinical supervision if they're working on human impact research." - Dr. Naomi Murphy
Takeaways:
Self-reflection is crucial for maintaining well-being
Engaging in sports can lead to both positive and negative outcomes
The myths surrounding sports often overlook the inherent risks involved
Performance in sports can overshadow the joy of play
Sports can create community but also reinforce social divides
Youth sports should prioritize play over competition
The impact of sports on mental health is significant and complex
Critical thinking is essential in analyzing the role of sports in society
The relationship between sports and health is often misunderstood
Personal experiences shape our understanding of sports and their effects.
Sound Bites:
"I get really upset when I talk to people."
"It's fundamentally made me a better man."
"I've accepted that I know I'm doing it."

Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Dr Eileen Borris (Audio); Transforming Lives with Political Forgiveness
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Guest: Dr. Eileen Borris, Clinical and Political Psychologist
Host(s): David Jones and Dr Naomi Murphy
Episode Summary: In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Eileen Borris, a clinical and political psychologist who has pioneered the concept of political forgiveness at individual, community, and national levels. Dr. Borris has addressed the United Nations and has worked for over 30 years to build peace in conflict areas around the world, including Rwanda, South Africa, Liberia, Nigeria, Ethiopia, and the Middle East.
https://www.drborris.com/books/finding-forgiveness-a-7-step-program-for-letting-go-of-anger-and-bitterness/
Key Topics Discussed:
Introduction to Political Forgiveness:
Dr. Borris explains the concept of political forgiveness, which involves truth, forbearance, empathy, and a commitment to repair fractured relationships. She shares how her personal background and family history influenced her interest in this subject
Importance of Forgiveness:
The discussion highlights the significance of forgiveness in healing communities and moving forward without ignoring past evils or reducing justice to revenge
South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission:
Dr. Borris discusses the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission as a model for political forgiveness and the lessons learned from it
Forgiveness in Rwanda:
The conversation touches on the role of forgiveness in Rwanda's healing process after the genocide and the challenges of addressing deep-seated emotions and historical grievances
Forgiveness as a Skill:
Dr. Borris emphasizes that forgiveness is a skill that can be learned and practiced by anyone. She shares practical steps for letting go of grievances and changing one's emotional state
Forgiveness in the Criminal Justice System:
The episode explores the implications of forgiveness for the justice system and the importance of self-forgiveness for individuals who have committed serious offenses
Stories of Forgiveness:
Dr. Borris shares powerful stories of forgiveness, including the unlikely friendship between a Black pastor and a former Ku Klux Klan member in South Carolina
Cultural Differences in Forgiveness:
The discussion highlights how forgiveness is built into the cultures of certain countries and the communal nature of forgiveness practices in places like Sierra Leone
Dr. Borris's Book and Podcast:
Dr. Borris talks about her book "Finding Forgiveness," which provides a self-help guide to learning forgiveness, and her podcast "Political Forgiveness Voices of Peace," which aims to inspire people to bridge divides and build a culture of political forgiveness
Maintaining Well-being:
Dr. Borris shares her personal practices for maintaining well-being while working in difficult situations, including meditation, gratitude, and staying connected with loved ones
Key Takeaways:
Forgiveness is a powerful tool for healing and reconciliation at both individual and community levels.
It is important to address underlying emotions and historical grievances to achieve true forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a skill that can be learned and practiced by anyone, regardless of their background or experiences.
Building a culture of political forgiveness can lead to better societies and nations.

Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Dr Eileen Borris (Video); Transforming Lives with Political Forgiveness
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Wednesday Aug 13, 2025
Guest: Dr. Eileen Borris, Clinical and Political Psychologist
Host(s): David Jones and Dr Naomi Murphy
Episode Summary: In this episode, we are joined by Dr. Eileen Borris, a clinical and political psychologist who has pioneered the concept of political forgiveness at individual, community, and national levels. Dr. Borris has addressed the United Nations and has worked for over 30 years to build peace in conflict areas around the world, including Rwanda, South Africa, Liberia, Nigeria, Ethiopia, and the Middle East.
https://www.drborris.com/books/finding-forgiveness-a-7-step-program-for-letting-go-of-anger-and-bitterness/
Key Topics Discussed:
Introduction to Political Forgiveness:
Dr. Borris explains the concept of political forgiveness, which involves truth, forbearance, empathy, and a commitment to repair fractured relationships. She shares how her personal background and family history influenced her interest in this subject
Importance of Forgiveness:
The discussion highlights the significance of forgiveness in healing communities and moving forward without ignoring past evils or reducing justice to revenge
South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission:
Dr. Borris discusses the South African Truth and Reconciliation Commission as a model for political forgiveness and the lessons learned from it
Forgiveness in Rwanda:
The conversation touches on the role of forgiveness in Rwanda's healing process after the genocide and the challenges of addressing deep-seated emotions and historical grievances
Forgiveness as a Skill:
Dr. Borris emphasizes that forgiveness is a skill that can be learned and practiced by anyone. She shares practical steps for letting go of grievances and changing one's emotional state
Forgiveness in the Criminal Justice System:
The episode explores the implications of forgiveness for the justice system and the importance of self-forgiveness for individuals who have committed serious offenses
Stories of Forgiveness:
Dr. Borris shares powerful stories of forgiveness, including the unlikely friendship between a Black pastor and a former Ku Klux Klan member in South Carolina
Cultural Differences in Forgiveness:
The discussion highlights how forgiveness is built into the cultures of certain countries and the communal nature of forgiveness practices in places like Sierra Leone
Dr. Borris's Book and Podcast:
Dr. Borris talks about her book "Finding Forgiveness," which provides a self-help guide to learning forgiveness, and her podcast "Political Forgiveness Voices of Peace," which aims to inspire people to bridge divides and build a culture of political forgiveness
Maintaining Well-being:
Dr. Borris shares her personal practices for maintaining well-being while working in difficult situations, including meditation, gratitude, and staying connected with loved ones
Key Takeaways:
Forgiveness is a powerful tool for healing and reconciliation at both individual and community levels.
It is important to address underlying emotions and historical grievances to achieve true forgiveness.
Forgiveness is a skill that can be learned and practiced by anyone, regardless of their background or experiences.
Building a culture of political forgiveness can lead to better societies and nations.

Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, Dr Naomi Murphy and David Jones meet with Susan MacRae and Sherri Thomson, two courageous women who have been fighting against the use of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) in cases of childhood sexual abuse. They share their personal stories, the challenges they faced, and their ongoing efforts to bring justice and change to the system. This episode delves into the emotional and legal battles they have endured and highlights the importance of public awareness and legislative change.
https://www.therestitutionproject.ca/about
Since our conversation, Texas and Missouri have passed Trey’s Law, banning NDAs for childhood sexual assault. So, this law will now cover a population of about 87 million people (this includes both Tennessee and California that already have laws banning NDAs for childhood sexual assault.). As the NDA is a tool of human traffickers this is good news!
Key Points:
Introduction: David welcomes Susan MacRae and Sherri Thomson, who are based in British Columbia and Ontario, respectively, and asks them to share how they met and began working together
Susan's Story: Susan discusses her experience with a non-disclosure agreement related to childhood sexual abuse, her legal battles, and the impact on her life.
Sherri's Story: Sherri shares her journey of breaking her NDA, the legal repercussions, and the emotional toll it took on her.
Legal and Emotional Impact: Both Susan and Sherri discuss the long-term psychological effects of signing NDAs and the challenges of seeking justice.
Public Awareness and Legislative Change: The importance of public records, the role of the justice system, and the need for legislative changes to protect victims of childhood abuse.
The Restitution Project: Susan and Sherri talk about their initiative, The Restitution Project, aimed at addressing the misuse of NDAs in cases of childhood abuse.
Support and Self-Care: How Susan and Sherri support each other and manage the emotional toll of their work.
Conclusion: Final thoughts on the fight for justice and the importance of continued advocacy.

Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Wednesday Aug 06, 2025
Episode Summary: In this powerful episode, Dr Naomi Murphy and David Jones meet with Susan MacRae and Sherri Thomson, two courageous women who have been fighting against the use of non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) in cases of childhood sexual abuse. They share their personal stories, the challenges they faced, and their ongoing efforts to bring justice and change to the system. This episode delves into the emotional and legal battles they have endured and highlights the importance of public awareness and legislative change.
https://www.therestitutionproject.ca/about
Since our conversation, Texas and Missouri have passed Trey’s Law, banning NDAs for childhood sexual assault. So, this law will now cover a population of about 87 million people (this includes both Tennessee and California that already have laws banning NDAs for childhood sexual assault.). As the NDA is a tool of human traffickers this is good news!
Key Points:
Introduction: David welcomes Susan MacRae and Sherri Thomson, who are based in British Columbia and Ontario, respectively, and asks them to share how they met and began working together
Susan's Story: Susan discusses her experience with a non-disclosure agreement related to childhood sexual abuse, her legal battles, and the impact on her life.
Sherri's Story: Sherri shares her journey of breaking her NDA, the legal repercussions, and the emotional toll it took on her.
Legal and Emotional Impact: Both Susan and Sherri discuss the long-term psychological effects of signing NDAs and the challenges of seeking justice.
Public Awareness and Legislative Change: The importance of public records, the role of the justice system, and the need for legislative changes to protect victims of childhood abuse.
The Restitution Project: Susan and Sherri talk about their initiative, The Restitution Project, aimed at addressing the misuse of NDAs in cases of childhood abuse.
Support and Self-Care: How Susan and Sherri support each other and manage the emotional toll of their work.
Conclusion: Final thoughts on the fight for justice and the importance of continued advocacy.

Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Dr Warren Larkin (Audio); The Power of Environment in Education
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Keywords
clinical psychology, trauma, resilience, education, mental health, policy development, children and families, trauma-informed care, REACH model, well-being
Summary
In this conversation, Dr. Naomi Murphy and David Jones talk with Dr. Warren Larkin who describes his journey from a challenging educational background to becoming a clinical psychologist. He discusses the significant impact of environment on learning, particularly in relation to trauma and resilience. Dr. Larkin emphasizes the importance of working with children and families, advocating for trauma-informed approaches in education and mental health. He reflects on his experiences in policy development and the challenges of implementing trauma-informed care in various settings. The conversation also covers the REACH model, which focuses on routine inquiry about childhood adversity, and highlights the importance of safety and relationships in fostering well-being.
https://warrenlarkinassociates.co.uk/portfolio-items/routine-enquiry-about-adversity-in-childhood-reach-programme/
He is now managing director of Warren Larkin Associates which, among other things WLA help organisations recognise and respond more effectively to the needs of staff and clients affected by trauma.
https://warrenlarkinassociates.co.uk/
Takeaways
Warren Larkin's educational journey highlights the impact of supportive environments.
Trauma and resilience are crucial in educational settings.
Early intervention is important, but prevention is even better.
Policy changes often do not translate to practice changes.
The REACH model emphasizes routine inquiry about childhood adversity.
Creating safe environments is essential for effective trauma-informed care.
Relationships are key to resilience and well-being.
Social support is the most powerful factor in coping with stress.
Trauma-informed care is still not well understood in many settings.
There is a need for more robust evaluations of trauma-informed interventions.
Sound bites
"I left school with one O level and one CSE."
"I've never looked back since leaving the NHS."
"Relationships are the best medicine."
Chapters
00:00 Warren Larkin's Journey to Clinical Psychology
03:58 The Impact of Environment on Learning
05:39 Working with Children and Families
08:46 Trauma and Psychosis: A New Perspective
10:41 Policy Development and Challenges
16:25 Success Stories in Mental Health Policy
17:43 Transitioning to Private Practice
20:38 Navigating the NHS and Independent Work
24:53 The REACH Model: Understanding Adverse Childhood Experiences
32:44 Barriers to Routine Inquiry in Healthcare
38:18 Trauma-Informed Care: Understanding and Application
43:50 Personal Well-Being: Balancing Work and Life

Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Dr Warren Larkin (Video); The Power of Environment in Education
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Wednesday Jul 30, 2025
Keywords
clinical psychology, trauma, resilience, education, mental health, policy development, children and families, trauma-informed care, REACH model, well-being
Summary
In this conversation, Dr. Naomi Murphy and David Jones talk with Dr. Warren Larkin who describes his journey from a challenging educational background to becoming a clinical psychologist. He discusses the significant impact of environment on learning, particularly in relation to trauma and resilience. Dr. Larkin emphasizes the importance of working with children and families, advocating for trauma-informed approaches in education and mental health. He reflects on his experiences in policy development and the challenges of implementing trauma-informed care in various settings. The conversation also covers the REACH model, which focuses on routine inquiry about childhood adversity, and highlights the importance of safety and relationships in fostering well-being.
https://warrenlarkinassociates.co.uk/portfolio-items/routine-enquiry-about-adversity-in-childhood-reach-programme/
He is now managing director of Warren Larkin Associates which, among other things helps organisations recognise and respond more effectively to the needs of staff and clients affected by trauma.
https://warrenlarkinassociates.co.uk/
Takeaways
Warren Larkin's educational journey highlights the impact of supportive environments.
Trauma and resilience are crucial in educational settings.
Early intervention is important, but prevention is even better.
Policy changes often do not translate to practice changes.
The REACH model emphasizes routine inquiry about childhood adversity.
Creating safe environments is essential for effective trauma-informed care.
Relationships are key to resilience and well-being.
Social support is the most powerful factor in coping with stress.
Trauma-informed care is still not well understood in many settings.
There is a need for more robust evaluations of trauma-informed interventions.
Sound bites
"I left school with one O level and one CSE."
"I've never looked back since leaving the NHS."
"Relationships are the best medicine."
Chapters
00:00 Warren Larkin's Journey to Clinical Psychology
03:58 The Impact of Environment on Learning
05:39 Working with Children and Families
08:46 Trauma and Psychosis: A New Perspective
10:41 Policy Development and Challenges
16:25 Success Stories in Mental Health Policy
17:43 Transitioning to Private Practice
20:38 Navigating the NHS and Independent Work
24:53 The REACH Model: Understanding Adverse Childhood Experiences
32:44 Barriers to Routine Inquiry in Healthcare
38:18 Trauma-Informed Care: Understanding and Application
43:50 Personal Well-Being: Balancing Work and Life

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Jennifer Gibson (Audio); Revolutionizing whistleblowing. The Psst approach.
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
keywords
whistleblowing, advocacy, tech industry, Psst, Jennifer Gibson, support systems, societal impact, collectivizing, mental health, legal support
summary
In this conversation, Jennifer Gibson, co-founder of Psst, discusses the challenges and importance of whistleblowing, particularly in the tech industry. She emphasizes the need for systemic support for whistleblowers, the risks they face, and the societal implications of silence. Jennifer advocates for a collectivized approach to whistleblowing, providing legal and emotional support to those who dare to speak up. The discussion also touches on the personal challenges faced by advocates in this field and the importance of ethical leadership in corporations.
Psst.org is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit and relies donations to do its work. To learn more about their approach, you can visit www.psst.org or read this recent Wired profile of the organization: https://www.wired.com/story/amber-scorah-psst-tech-whistleblowers/. You can also sign up to their weekly substack: https://psstpsst.substack.com/. To make a donation, please go to www.psst.org/donate."
Please note; two names are wrongly spelled in the captions they’ are Amber Scorah and Rebecca Petras not Amber Sporoff and Rebecca Petrus
takeaways
Psst aims to revolutionize whistleblowing by providing systemic support.
Whistleblowers often risk everything for societal benefit.
Collectivizing whistleblowing can provide safety and support.
The tech industry presents unique challenges for whistleblowers.
Mental health support is crucial for whistleblowers.
The societal impact of silence can be detrimental.
Ethical leadership is needed in the corporate sector.
Whistleblowing can be a traumatic experience.
Advocates must take care of their own mental health.
Life in advocacy is a marathon, requiring resilience.
Sound Bites
"We need to hold power to account."
"The stakes are very high in tech."
"Life is a marathon, not a sprint."
Chapters
00:00Introduction to Whistleblowing and Psst
01:39Jennifer's Journey into Whistleblowing
04:51The Trauma of Whistleblowing
07:54Challenges in the Tech Industry
11:03The Risks of Speaking Up
14:29The Consequences of Silence
18:16The Collective Approach to Whistleblowing
20:50Support Systems for Whistleblowers
23:50Expanding the Model Beyond Tech
25:47Personal Challenges in Advocacy

Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Jennifer Gibson (Video); Revolutionizing Whistleblowing: The Psst Approach
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
Wednesday Jul 23, 2025
keywords
whistleblowing, advocacy, tech industry, Psst, Jennifer Gibson, support systems, societal impact, collectivizing, mental health, legal support
summary
In this conversation, Jennifer Gibson, co-founder of Psst, discusses the challenges and importance of whistleblowing, particularly in the tech industry. She emphasizes the need for systemic support for whistleblowers, the risks they face, and the societal implications of silence. Jennifer advocates for a collectivized approach to whistleblowing, providing legal and emotional support to those who dare to speak up. The discussion also touches on the personal challenges faced by advocates in this field and the importance of ethical leadership in corporations.
Psst.org is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit and relies donations to do its work. To learn more about their approach, you can visit www.psst.org or read this recent Wired profile of the organization: https://www.wired.com/story/amber-scorah-psst-tech-whistleblowers/. You can also sign up to their weekly substack: https://psstpsst.substack.com/. To make a donation, please go to www.psst.org/donate."
Please note; two names are wrongly spelled in the captions they’ are Amber Scorah and Rebecca Petras not Amber Sporoff and Rebecca Petrus
takeaways
Psst aims to revolutionize whistleblowing by providing systemic support.
Whistleblowers often risk everything for societal benefit.
Collectivizing whistleblowing can provide safety and support.
The tech industry presents unique challenges for whistleblowers.
Mental health support is crucial for whistleblowers.
The societal impact of silence can be detrimental.
Ethical leadership is needed in the corporate sector.
Whistleblowing can be a traumatic experience.
Advocates must take care of their own mental health.
Life in advocacy is a marathon, requiring resilience.
Sound Bites
"We need to hold power to account."
"The stakes are very high in tech."
"Life is a marathon, not a sprint."
Chapters
00:00Introduction to Whistleblowing and Psst
01:39Jennifer's Journey into Whistleblowing
04:51The Trauma of Whistleblowing
07:54Challenges in the Tech Industry
11:03The Risks of Speaking Up
14:29The Consequences of Silence
18:16The Collective Approach to Whistleblowing
20:50Support Systems for Whistleblowers
23:50Expanding the Model Beyond Tech
25:47Personal Challenges in Advocacy

Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Dr Mitchell Abrams (Audio); Quantum Connections: The Science of the Heart
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Keywords
energy medicine, heart health, quantum physics, compassion, healing, consciousness, spirituality, medical model, collective coherence, NextGenHealth
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Mitchell Abrams discusses the profound connection between energy medicine, the heart, and consciousness. He shares his personal journey from a scientific background to exploring the emotional and spiritual dimensions of healing, emphasizing the heart's role in compassion and connection. The discussion delves into the relevance of quantum physics in medicine, the need for a new medical model that integrates compassion, and the importance of collective coherence in fostering a healthier society. Dr. Abrams also introduces his organization, NextGenHealth, which aims to cultivate deeper connections and understanding among individuals for a more compassionate world.
Takeaways
Mitch Abrams emphasizes the heart's role in healing beyond its physical function.
Personal experiences, such as heart surgery, can lead to profound shifts in understanding health and healing.
Quantum physics provides insights into the interconnectedness of all beings and the nature of reality.
Compassion and connection are essential for effective healing and healthcare.
The current medical model often neglects the emotional and spiritual aspects of health.
Collective coherence can significantly impact societal well-being and behavior.
There is a growing interest in integrating spirituality and science in medicine.
NextGenHealth aims to empower individuals to reclaim their agency in health and healing.
The importance of community and connection in personal and collective healing.
Journalists have a responsibility to balance negative narratives with positive stories that inspire hope.
Quantum Connections: The Science of the Heart

Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Dr. Mitchell Abrams (Video);Quantum Connections: The Science of the Heart
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Wednesday Jul 16, 2025
Keywords
energy medicine, heart health, quantum physics, compassion, healing, consciousness, spirituality, medical model, collective coherence, NextGenHealth
Summary
In this enlightening conversation, Dr. Mitchell Abrams discusses the profound connection between energy medicine, the heart, and consciousness. He shares his personal journey from a scientific background to exploring the emotional and spiritual dimensions of healing, emphasizing the heart's role in compassion and connection. The discussion delves into the relevance of quantum physics in medicine, the need for a new medical model that integrates compassion, and the importance of collective coherence in fostering a healthier society. Dr. Abrams also introduces his organization, NextGenHealth, which aims to cultivate deeper connections and understanding among individuals for a more compassionate world.
Takeaways
Mitch Abrams emphasizes the heart's role in healing beyond its physical function.
Personal experiences, such as heart surgery, can lead to profound shifts in understanding health and healing.
Quantum physics provides insights into the interconnectedness of all beings and the nature of reality.
Compassion and connection are essential for effective healing and healthcare.
The current medical model often neglects the emotional and spiritual aspects of health.
Collective coherence can significantly impact societal well-being and behavior.
There is a growing interest in integrating spirituality and science in medicine.
NextGenHealth aims to empower individuals to reclaim their agency in health and healing.
The importance of community and connection in personal and collective healing.
Journalists have a responsibility to balance negative narratives with positive stories that inspire hope.

Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Deborah Jump (Audio); The Impact of Boxing on Youth Violence
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Keywords
boxing, youth violence, criminology, masculinity, trauma, desistance, community, mental health, gender, sports sociology
Summary
In this conversation, Deborah Jump discusses her extensive research on the intersection of boxing, youth violence, and masculinity. She explores why boxing is particularly appealing to young men at risk of crime, the complex relationship between boxing and violence, and the societal perceptions surrounding the sport. Jump emphasizes the psychological aspects of boxing, including how it can reinforce notions of masculinity and respect, while also providing a sense of community and routine. She reflects on the benefits and drawbacks of boxing as a sport, particularly in relation to mental health and trauma, and shares her transition from studying boxing to focusing on forensic studies in youth violence.
Takeaways
Boxing is appealing to young men as it allows them to rehearse masculine identities.
The sport can create a community that fosters strength and power.
Boxing may reinforce the idea that violence is an acceptable solution.
Respect in boxing culture can often be rooted in fear.
There is no substantial evidence linking boxing to crime reduction.
Boxing can have positive impacts on mental health, such as reducing anxiety.
The culture of boxing can perpetuate harmful messages about violence.
Young women also use boxing to reclaim ownership of their bodies.
Therapy is essential for those working in trauma-related fields.
The motivations for engaging in boxing can be complex and multifaceted.
Deborah Jump is the co-director for the Manchester Centre for Youth Studies at Manchester Metropolitan University and she has 20 years experience of working in youth justice as both a practitioner and a manager. Deborah's current research focuses on trauma and youth justice with a particular interest in the impact of serious youth violence and forensic psychotherapeutic methods. She is training to be a psychoanalytic psychotherapist

Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Deborah Jump (Video); The Impact of Boxing on Youth Violence
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Wednesday Jul 09, 2025
Keywords
boxing, youth violence, criminology, masculinity, trauma, desistance, community, mental health, gender, sports sociology
Summary
In this conversation, Deborah Jump discusses her extensive research on the intersection of boxing, youth violence, and masculinity. She explores why boxing is particularly appealing to young men at risk of crime, the complex relationship between boxing and violence, and the societal perceptions surrounding the sport. Jump emphasizes the psychological aspects of boxing, including how it can reinforce notions of masculinity and respect, while also providing a sense of community and routine. She reflects on the benefits and drawbacks of boxing as a sport, particularly in relation to mental health and trauma, and shares her transition from studying boxing to focusing on forensic studies in youth violence.
Takeaways
Boxing is appealing to young men as it allows them to rehearse masculine identities.
The sport can create a community that fosters strength and power.
Boxing may reinforce the idea that violence is an acceptable solution.
Respect in boxing culture can often be rooted in fear.
There is no substantial evidence linking boxing to crime reduction.
Boxing can have positive impacts on mental health, such as reducing anxiety.
The culture of boxing can perpetuate harmful messages about violence.
Young women also use boxing to reclaim ownership of their bodies.
Therapy is essential for those working in trauma-related fields.
The motivations for engaging in boxing can be complex and multifaceted.
Deborah Jump is the co-director for the Manchester Centre for Youth Studies at Manchester Metropolitan University and she has 20 years experience of working in youth justice as both a practitioner and a manager. Deborah's current research focuses on trauma and youth justice with a particular interest in the impact of serious youth violence and forensic psychotherapeutic methods. She is training to be a psychoanalytic psychotherapist

Why 'Locked up Living?'
David is a psychotherapist who has worked leading therapeutic communities in English prisons and in Millfields, an NHS forensic setting in East London. Naomi is a Consultant Clinical and Forensic psychologist who was, for many years, clinical lead at The Fens, a treatment programme for serious offenders at HMP Whitemoor. We had both experienced painful and destructive forces in our work and so we set out to discover what things make a positive difference for staff and service users and what is it that makes things go wrong. Of course we found out that there is no easy answer but there are many fascinating and valuable experiences to be heard.






